Again Linux fails to impress me with there user interface. I think what needs to happen before building a good user interface is develope a Universal Application installer that can be used on all distros. That automaticly gets all the packages it needs.

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Mr. Frates,

Why are you unimpressed with the interface that is free, and one that I could beg to differ that you have not contributed code to make better, considering the *Quality* of the grammar in your post?
Continue to run your Windows XP sessions, and go away...

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Linux distributions aren't the same as Microsoft Windows operating system is. Even though, all popular distributions have add/remove software options- Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSUSE. I personally prefer OpenSUSE's. And.. Linux user interface is much more nicer that the one Windows has. You know you can skind everything from windows to icons, right?

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I don't spend a whole lot of time in linux, but what do you call apt?

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Again Albert, nobody gives a s**t what you think.

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Personally they get a lot more innovative. KDE is blowing way past them. Check out what SuSe is doing with KDE: http://home.kde.org/~binner/kickoff/sneak_preview.html

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I wish they would make evolution more stable. Drop shadows are not that important.

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here is my opinion:
I have to admit that i did not have tried autopackage (see above). But if u want to install Software that is not in the "normal" distribution u dont have that much nice Options.
In most case some kind of Source will be offred
*Source
-it is obivious that if u compile from source u have to use commandline and maybe have to react on dependencies
So this is NOT a good Solution for Linux Beginners, but on the other hand it offers qutie the best options for portability
*Mono, Java
I would like to see more Mono & Java Apps for Linux.
Where i would associate that i download the Software (using my Browser) , unpacking the software and run it.
That would be nice , i know that this wouldn't work with every Software, but imo that kind of Software-Handling would be very "new-Linux" User friendly.

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@Chris Brainard,

Looks kinda like the GNOME start menu in SUSE 10.

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here is my opinion:
I have to admit that i did not have tried autopackage (see above). But if u want to install Software that is not in the "normal" distribution u dont have that much nice Options.
In most case some kind of Source will be offred
*Source
-it is obivious that if u compile from source u have to use commandline and maybe have to react on dependencies
So this is NOT a good Solution for Linux Beginners, but on the other hand it offers qutie the best options for portability
*Mono, Java
I would like to see more Mono & Java Apps for Linux.
Where i would associate that i download the Software (using my Browser) , unpacking the software and run it.
That would be nice , i know that this wouldn't work with every Software, but imo that kind of Software-Handling would be very "new-Linux" User friendly.

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I have to say as a new guy to linux I think it's friggin awesome. Just the fact that you can change anything in linux is so sweet.
It's only gettin easier to use too. I like Gnome personally. KDE is sweet to but it comes with too many programs. I got confused as to which on I should use. (hey there were like 4 apps for everything) But yeah on a whole the sweetest thing ever. I'm never going back.

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Looks great!
I am quite new with Linux myself (I use Ubuntu and GNOME) and I like both GNOME and KDE better than XP. Can't wait for the final version when it will hit the Ubuntu repos (or come with Edgy Eft).

Oh, and @Albert, apt is pretty much a universal install-wizard that CAN be used on any system that is UNIX-like (not just the Debian distros).

But Universal Installers in the sense that you mean = Windoze. Somewhat of a challenge, albiet a very rewarding challenged != Windows.

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Linux plural ought to be linuz... with that in mind windoz must be a plural, no?
lmao

there is no such thing as a universal installer for windows. Lets see.. one can say there is a universal installer for any microsoft operating system? No.

one can say there is a universal installer for all versions of XP... hardly universal OS... versioned OS

universal NT installers? nah hah Neither Universal nor valid. Who was the last person to actually enjoy NT?? hahaha and hardly New Technology.... can we say IBM (I Blame Microsoft)

one must remember that the packaging of an application is the responsibility of the developer (windows programmers?? ) / programmers hehehe

if a programmer wants his software to run on all linux flavours he would make sure he had binaries for all...

who needs installers when you generate binaries that just need to be point and click installed?? Feel the love MS!!

i know i know... the binary itself is the package....

in the "real world" yes....

remember.. 80% of "real" users are microsoft fodder.

Hense definition of terminology is vital when explaining in the language of MS.

Remember also... MS has no boundaries when altering their proprietary licensed development to break standards...

Can we say NetBUI, XML, HTML(IE), lightbulb wattage preferences??

peace my bretheren from different mothers and countries


Big G. - Fella

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No, you are ENTIRELY wrong.

ANY software developed for linux can be used on linux. It's just that simple. Linux IS linux. There is NO such thing as software developed only for redhat. That redhat software could easily be run on Slackware, possibly even as it is, but even more it could easy be recompiled and run on whatever PC it was compiled on.

Not to mention that way users get to CHOOSE their OWN optimizations, dependencies, binary size, and features, and not leave that option up to another developer who is not using the same PC.

The Unix way is superior to the windows way, it's just that most users are too dumb to understand it, and simply say that there are "no advantages" to it.

I would much rather have a minimal system, and then build from source the rest with the exact features I want compiled in, and not leave that decision up for others. I myself use slackware. A user who does ___NOT___ agree with that approach could easily use another distro WITH depdency tracking and central package management, such as Debian or Ubuntu. But I don't and I shouldn't have to.


The beauty of Linux is choice, configurability, and yet within that you still have compatibility with other distros.

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mmm - why do some people get unhappy when there is some negative comments? Winows has got a place, just like visiual basic has got a place in the programming community (personally I hate it, but what the heck:-). Let's rather learn what people actually like, then they might want to start using it! Telling a beginner that he/she should be compiling stuff simply will not fly!

Some people only want to use a system. NOT understand it (My wife is a good example)! That's why it should be as easy as possible!

What's nice about linux is the fact that you have a choice. YOU decide what you want. If you don't like gnome, use KDE. If you don't like KDE, change it or write something completely new. ... if you don't want to use Amarok, use VLC (I guess you get my point?)!

The fact is that we shoud USE comments (negative OR possitive) and make something better, NOT flame someone for having a different view. After all, a different view is what started the whole linux thing?

Nice to see that other projects is starting up as well - look at the ReactOS (http://www.reactos.org) project for instance. You get win32 compatibility with opensource. Now that's also something to keep an eye on!

Just my 2 cents worth ...

Thanx to all the guys out there doing some amazing work. Keep it up!!!

btw. I am a profesional developer (.NET/Delphi/Web etc.) using a duel boot system with XP/KBuntu and try to do most of the stuff using KBuntu. The sad truth is that at the moment I can't get rid of XP - still need it for some of the stuff (win32 development etc. as wine does not currently work with everything ... )

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Those shots are looking brilliant, i can't wait until it's out. I've been using ubuntu for a couple of weeks now after selling my iMac and absoutley love gnome. I've dabbled with linux before but the stuff out there at the moment is just awesome. Well done to the guys working on gnome, brilliant stuff.

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a salute to all *nix developers.
you are the free men

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Universal application installer ... righ ... just like XP has hahaha :-)

www.pkgsrc.org comes pretty close to perfect ...

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For the most part it looks like really minor updates for the user, but we're seeing more and more use of cairo and mono, so I'm hoping for some much more revolutionary UI changes in a year or two! Can't wait!

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And...what happend with changing permitions recursively? WHEEEEN ???????

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Do we linuxers want to se how the usage of our beloved system grows?

Do we hope for a day when the open source rules all ?

If so, he have to realise that the user base that we must aim for is the "Windows Joe". For the major part of the people, computing means using windows. We must change that.

There are some places were choice is good, but there are others were it's not. Linux has come a long way, but from my point of wiew, noone should have to compile an app just to use it in 2006.

That's why the Linux community has to agree on a standard way of installing apps and drivers. In windows or macosx there are a pair of routines that, with small differences remain unchanged: doubleclick on setup.exe or dragNdrop.

Its our chance to make a better, easier, clearer way of installing things on our systems than their. And that way should be cross-distro. That way noone is gonna say "linux it's too difficult for me" again. We heve to make Linux be easier, not just make it appear to be.

Just my 2 cents.

And please please change that ugly sad brown amateurish gnome default icon theme PLEASE !

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Great work guys!. I think Gnome is already a very usefull and mature desktop.

Nautilus, trough. I dont like it. If I need to manage heavy changes on the filesystem, I need konqueror. And even konquero is a noch worst than Explorer.exe except a few features.

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Who cares about the first post..!

AFAIK, I had less problems with Linux than Windows.

If people don't like Linux, they can kiss my hairy arse.

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